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paldo rolling distro in italiano
#1
Ho installato paldo, mi sembra un'ottima distro rolling. Veloce da installare da cd, completamente in italiano, stabile, funziona egregiamente anche su computer non nuovissimi. Ha come desktop predefinito gnome shell, che io adoro. Tuttavia non capisco come funzioni la gestione dei programmi. Non ho trovato nulla che possa assomigliare a ubuntu software center o a synaptic. Inoltre non so come installare i driver e i plugin necessari per il buon funzionamento del sistema. Chi l'ha provata? Chi mi può aiutare a terminare la configurazione del sistema?
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#2
Citazione:Paldo non offre alcun package manager grafico, ma possiamo utilizzare upkg da terminale (i comandi principali li trovate in questa pagina).
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Mai che se ne trovino due uguali !
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#3
ah un po' complesso il meccanismo... peccato mi era apparsa una buona distro
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#4
Naaa!
Non dire così, oltretutto mi stai facendo incuriosire e va a finire che la installo anch'io tanto per provarla.
Se non fosse che di gnome me ne importa meno di nulla...

Se posso permettermi: non aver paura della shell.
È solamente un po' più testuale della gui ma quella che fa è esattamente la stessa cosa.
L'unica differenza è che il comando lo costruisci tu e sai cosa dici; con la gui il comando non è modificabile né interpretabile a priori.

Prova a dare il comando (p.e.)
man upkg-repo
guardati le varie opzioni e vedrai che upkg-repo dato da solo ti dà la lista dei server ma ci sono anche altre opzioni (suppongo).

Similmente, upkg-upgrade ti aggiornerà il sistema con le opzioni che gli indicherai dopo averle imparate con:
man upkg-upgrade.

Immagino che il comando che si dà con il sistema apt (condiviso da ubuntu e debian per file .deb e da pclinuxos con file .rpm):
apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade
(ovvero: aggiorna la lista dei pacchetti disponibili e POI aggiorna tutto quel che c'è da aggiornare o aggiungere secondo quanto previsto dalla distro),
con il comando upkg suonerà tipo:
upkg-sync && upkg-upgrade
che non è molto complicato né da capire né da dare.

Non conosco né paldo né upkg ma credo che se qualcuno l'ha fatta (paldo) l'avrà fatta escogitando un modo accessibile per gestirla.
Insomma, non credo che paldo si rivolga a chi non ha bisogno di una distro fatta da altri.
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#5
mah ho dato il comando per aggiornare il sistema ed e uscito questo
[marco@marco:~]$ upkg-sync && upkg-upgrade
touch: impossibile fare touch di "/var/lock/upkg-sync": File o directory non esistente
/usr/sbin/upkg-sync: line 38: /etc/upkg-sync.d/*: File o directory non esistente
/usr/sbin/upkg-sync: line 41: pushd: no other directory

Unhandled Exception: System.TypeInitializationException: An exception was thrown by the type initializer for Upkg.Local ---> System.UnauthorizedAccessException: Access to the path "/var/cache/upkg/www.paldo.org_paldo" is denied.
at System.IO.Directory.CreateDirectoriesInternal (System.String path) [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0
at System.IO.Directory.CreateDirectory (System.String path) [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0
at Upkg.Local..cctor () [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0
--- End of inner exception stack trace ---
at Upkg.Application.Main (System.String[] args) [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0
[ERROR] FATAL UNHANDLED EXCEPTION: System.TypeInitializationException: An exception was thrown by the type initializer for Upkg.Local ---> System.UnauthorizedAccessException: Access to the path "/var/cache/upkg/www.paldo.org_paldo" is denied.
at System.IO.Directory.CreateDirectoriesInternal (System.String path) [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0
at System.IO.Directory.CreateDirectory (System.String path) [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0
at Upkg.Local..cctor () [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0
--- End of inner exception stack trace ---
at Upkg.Application.Main (System.String[] args) [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0
rsync version 3.0.9 protocol version 30
Copyright © 1996-2011 by Andrew Tridgell, Wayne Davison, and others.
Web site: http://rsync.samba.org/
Capabilities:
64-bit files, 64-bit inums, 32-bit timestamps, 64-bit long ints,
socketpairs, hardlinks, symlinks, IPv6, batchfiles, inplace,
append, ACLs, xattrs, iconv, symtimes

rsync comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY. This is free software, and you
are welcome to redistribute it under certain conditions. See the GNU
General Public Licence for details.

rsync is a file transfer program capable of efficient remote update
via a fast differencing algorithm.

Usage: rsync [OPTION]... SRC [SRC]... DEST
or rsync [OPTION]... SRC [SRC]... [USER@]HOSTBig GrinEST
or rsync [OPTION]... SRC [SRC]... [USER@]HOST:Big GrinEST
or rsync [OPTION]... SRC [SRC]... rsync://[USER@]HOST[TongueORT]/DEST
or rsync [OPTION]... [USER@]HOST:SRC [DEST]
or rsync [OPTION]... [USER@]HOST::SRC [DEST]
or rsync [OPTION]... rsync://[USER@]HOST[TongueORT]/SRC [DEST]
The ':' usages connect via remote shell, while '::' & 'rsync://' usages connect
to an rsync daemon, and require SRC or DEST to start with a module name.

Options
-v, --verbose increase verbosity
-q, --quiet suppress non-error messages
--no-motd suppress daemon-mode MOTD (see manpage caveat)
-c, --checksum skip based on checksum, not mod-time & size
-a, --archive archive mode; equals -rlptgoD (no -H,-A,-X)
--no-OPTION turn off an implied OPTION (e.g. --no-D)
-r, --recursive recurse into directories
-R, --relative use relative path names
--no-implied-dirs don't send implied dirs with --relative
-b, --backup make backups (see --suffix & --backup-dir)
--backup-dir=DIR make backups into hierarchy based in DIR
--suffix=SUFFIX set backup suffix (default ~ w/o --backup-dir)
-u, --update skip files that are newer on the receiver
--inplace update destination files in-place (SEE MAN PAGE)
--append append data onto shorter files
--append-verify like --append, but with old data in file checksum
-d, --dirs transfer directories without recursing
-l, --links copy symlinks as symlinks
-L, --copy-links transform symlink into referent file/dir
--copy-unsafe-links only "unsafe" symlinks are transformed
--safe-links ignore symlinks that point outside the source tree
-k, --copy-dirlinks transform symlink to a dir into referent dir
-K, --keep-dirlinks treat symlinked dir on receiver as dir
-H, --hard-links preserve hard links
-p, --perms preserve permissions
-E, --executability preserve the file's executability
--chmod=CHMOD affect file and/or directory permissions
-A, --acls preserve ACLs (implies --perms)
-X, --xattrs preserve extended attributes
-o, --owner preserve owner (super-user only)
-g, --group preserve group
--devices preserve device files (super-user only)
--specials preserve special files
-D same as --devices --specials
-t, --times preserve modification times
-O, --omit-dir-times omit directories from --times
--super receiver attempts super-user activities
--fake-super store/recover privileged attrs using xattrs
-S, --sparse handle sparse files efficiently
-n, --dry-run perform a trial run with no changes made
-W, --whole-file copy files whole (without delta-xfer algorithm)
-x, --one-file-system don't cross filesystem boundaries
-B, --block-size=SIZE force a fixed checksum block-size
-e, --rsh=COMMAND specify the remote shell to use
--rsync-path=PROGRAM specify the rsync to run on the remote machine
--existing skip creating new files on receiver
--ignore-existing skip updating files that already exist on receiver
--remove-source-files sender removes synchronized files (non-dirs)
--del an alias for --delete-during
--delete delete extraneous files from destination dirs
--delete-before receiver deletes before transfer, not during
--delete-during receiver deletes during the transfer
--delete-delay find deletions during, delete after
--delete-after receiver deletes after transfer, not during
--delete-excluded also delete excluded files from destination dirs
--ignore-errors delete even if there are I/O errors
--force force deletion of directories even if not empty
--max-delete=NUM don't delete more than NUM files
--max-size=SIZE don't transfer any file larger than SIZE
--min-size=SIZE don't transfer any file smaller than SIZE
--partial keep partially transferred files
--partial-dir=DIR put a partially transferred file into DIR
--delay-updates put all updated files into place at transfer's end
-m, --prune-empty-dirs prune empty directory chains from the file-list
--numeric-ids don't map uid/gid values by user/group name
--timeout=SECONDS set I/O timeout in seconds
--contimeout=SECONDS set daemon connection timeout in seconds
-I, --ignore-times don't skip files that match in size and mod-time
--size-only skip files that match in size
--modify-window=NUM compare mod-times with reduced accuracy
-T, --temp-dir=DIR create temporary files in directory DIR
-y, --fuzzy find similar file for basis if no dest file
--compare-dest=DIR also compare destination files relative to DIR
--copy-dest=DIR ... and include copies of unchanged files
--link-dest=DIR hardlink to files in DIR when unchanged
-z, --compress compress file data during the transfer
--compress-level=NUM explicitly set compression level
--skip-compress=LIST skip compressing files with a suffix in LIST
-C, --cvs-exclude auto-ignore files the same way CVS does
-f, --filter=RULE add a file-filtering RULE
-F same as --filter='dir-merge /.rsync-filter'
repeated: --filter='- .rsync-filter'
--exclude=PATTERN exclude files matching PATTERN
--exclude-from=FILE read exclude patterns from FILE
--include=PATTERN don't exclude files matching PATTERN
--include-from=FILE read include patterns from FILE
--files-from=FILE read list of source-file names from FILE
-0, --from0 all *-from/filter files are delimited by 0s
-s, --protect-args no space-splitting; only wildcard special-chars
--address=ADDRESS bind address for outgoing socket to daemon
--port=PORT specify double-colon alternate port number
--sockopts=OPTIONS specify custom TCP options
--blocking-io use blocking I/O for the remote shell
--stats give some file-transfer stats
-8, --8-bit-output leave high-bit chars unescaped in output
-h, --human-readable output numbers in a human-readable format
--progress show progress during transfer
-P same as --partial --progress
-i, --itemize-changes output a change-summary for all updates
--out-format=FORMAT output updates using the specified FORMAT
--log-file=FILE log what we're doing to the specified FILE
--log-file-format=FMT log updates using the specified FMT
--password-file=FILE read daemon-access password from FILE
--list-only list the files instead of copying them
--bwlimit=KBPS limit I/O bandwidth; KBytes per second
--write-batch=FILE write a batched update to FILE
--only-write-batch=FILE like --write-batch but w/o updating destination
--read-batch=FILE read a batched update from FILE
--protocol=NUM force an older protocol version to be used
--iconv=CONVERT_SPEC request charset conversion of filenames
-4, --ipv4 prefer IPv4
-6, --ipv6 prefer IPv6
--version print version number
(-h) --help show this help (-h is --help only if used alone)

Use "rsync --daemon --help" to see the daemon-mode command-line options.
Please see the rsync(1) and rsyncd.conf(5) man pages for full documentation.
See http://rsync.samba.org/ for updates, bug reports, and answers
rsync error: syntax or usage error (code 1) at main.c(1503) [Receiver=3.0.9]
rsync version 3.0.9 protocol version 30
Copyright © 1996-2011 by Andrew Tridgell, Wayne Davison, and others.
Web site: http://rsync.samba.org/
Capabilities:
64-bit files, 64-bit inums, 32-bit timestamps, 64-bit long ints,
socketpairs, hardlinks, symlinks, IPv6, batchfiles, inplace,
append, ACLs, xattrs, iconv, symtimes

rsync comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY. This is free software, and you
are welcome to redistribute it under certain conditions. See the GNU
General Public Licence for details.

rsync is a file transfer program capable of efficient remote update
via a fast differencing algorithm.

Usage: rsync [OPTION]... SRC [SRC]... DEST
or rsync [OPTION]... SRC [SRC]... [USER@]HOSTBig GrinEST
or rsync [OPTION]... SRC [SRC]... [USER@]HOST:Big GrinEST
or rsync [OPTION]... SRC [SRC]... rsync://[USER@]HOST[TongueORT]/DEST
or rsync [OPTION]... [USER@]HOST:SRC [DEST]
or rsync [OPTION]... [USER@]HOST::SRC [DEST]
or rsync [OPTION]... rsync://[USER@]HOST[TongueORT]/SRC [DEST]
The ':' usages connect via remote shell, while '::' & 'rsync://' usages connect
to an rsync daemon, and require SRC or DEST to start with a module name.

Options
-v, --verbose increase verbosity
-q, --quiet suppress non-error messages
--no-motd suppress daemon-mode MOTD (see manpage caveat)
-c, --checksum skip based on checksum, not mod-time & size
-a, --archive archive mode; equals -rlptgoD (no -H,-A,-X)
--no-OPTION turn off an implied OPTION (e.g. --no-D)
-r, --recursive recurse into directories
-R, --relative use relative path names
--no-implied-dirs don't send implied dirs with --relative
-b, --backup make backups (see --suffix & --backup-dir)
--backup-dir=DIR make backups into hierarchy based in DIR
--suffix=SUFFIX set backup suffix (default ~ w/o --backup-dir)
-u, --update skip files that are newer on the receiver
--inplace update destination files in-place (SEE MAN PAGE)
--append append data onto shorter files
--append-verify like --append, but with old data in file checksum
-d, --dirs transfer directories without recursing
-l, --links copy symlinks as symlinks
-L, --copy-links transform symlink into referent file/dir
--copy-unsafe-links only "unsafe" symlinks are transformed
--safe-links ignore symlinks that point outside the source tree
-k, --copy-dirlinks transform symlink to a dir into referent dir
-K, --keep-dirlinks treat symlinked dir on receiver as dir
-H, --hard-links preserve hard links
-p, --perms preserve permissions
-E, --executability preserve the file's executability
--chmod=CHMOD affect file and/or directory permissions
-A, --acls preserve ACLs (implies --perms)
-X, --xattrs preserve extended attributes
-o, --owner preserve owner (super-user only)
-g, --group preserve group
--devices preserve device files (super-user only)
--specials preserve special files
-D same as --devices --specials
-t, --times preserve modification times
-O, --omit-dir-times omit directories from --times
--super receiver attempts super-user activities
--fake-super store/recover privileged attrs using xattrs
-S, --sparse handle sparse files efficiently
-n, --dry-run perform a trial run with no changes made
-W, --whole-file copy files whole (without delta-xfer algorithm)
-x, --one-file-system don't cross filesystem boundaries
-B, --block-size=SIZE force a fixed checksum block-size
-e, --rsh=COMMAND specify the remote shell to use
--rsync-path=PROGRAM specify the rsync to run on the remote machine
--existing skip creating new files on receiver
--ignore-existing skip updating files that already exist on receiver
--remove-source-files sender removes synchronized files (non-dirs)
--del an alias for --delete-during
--delete delete extraneous files from destination dirs
--delete-before receiver deletes before transfer, not during
--delete-during receiver deletes during the transfer
--delete-delay find deletions during, delete after
--delete-after receiver deletes after transfer, not during
--delete-excluded also delete excluded files from destination dirs
--ignore-errors delete even if there are I/O errors
--force force deletion of directories even if not empty
--max-delete=NUM don't delete more than NUM files
--max-size=SIZE don't transfer any file larger than SIZE
--min-size=SIZE don't transfer any file smaller than SIZE
--partial keep partially transferred files
--partial-dir=DIR put a partially transferred file into DIR
--delay-updates put all updated files into place at transfer's end
-m, --prune-empty-dirs prune empty directory chains from the file-list
--numeric-ids don't map uid/gid values by user/group name
--timeout=SECONDS set I/O timeout in seconds
--contimeout=SECONDS set daemon connection timeout in seconds
-I, --ignore-times don't skip files that match in size and mod-time
--size-only skip files that match in size
--modify-window=NUM compare mod-times with reduced accuracy
-T, --temp-dir=DIR create temporary files in directory DIR
-y, --fuzzy find similar file for basis if no dest file
--compare-dest=DIR also compare destination files relative to DIR
--copy-dest=DIR ... and include copies of unchanged files
--link-dest=DIR hardlink to files in DIR when unchanged
-z, --compress compress file data during the transfer
--compress-level=NUM explicitly set compression level
--skip-compress=LIST skip compressing files with a suffix in LIST
-C, --cvs-exclude auto-ignore files the same way CVS does
-f, --filter=RULE add a file-filtering RULE
-F same as --filter='dir-merge /.rsync-filter'
repeated: --filter='- .rsync-filter'
--exclude=PATTERN exclude files matching PATTERN
--exclude-from=FILE read exclude patterns from FILE
--include=PATTERN don't exclude files matching PATTERN
--include-from=FILE read include patterns from FILE
--files-from=FILE read list of source-file names from FILE
-0, --from0 all *-from/filter files are delimited by 0s
-s, --protect-args no space-splitting; only wildcard special-chars
--address=ADDRESS bind address for outgoing socket to daemon
--port=PORT specify double-colon alternate port number
--sockopts=OPTIONS specify custom TCP options
--blocking-io use blocking I/O for the remote shell
--stats give some file-transfer stats
-8, --8-bit-output leave high-bit chars unescaped in output
-h, --human-readable output numbers in a human-readable format
--progress show progress during transfer
-P same as --partial --progress
-i, --itemize-changes output a change-summary for all updates
--out-format=FORMAT output updates using the specified FORMAT
--log-file=FILE log what we're doing to the specified FILE
--log-file-format=FMT log updates using the specified FMT
--password-file=FILE read daemon-access password from FILE
--list-only list the files instead of copying them
--bwlimit=KBPS limit I/O bandwidth; KBytes per second
--write-batch=FILE write a batched update to FILE
--only-write-batch=FILE like --write-batch but w/o updating destination
--read-batch=FILE read a batched update from FILE
--protocol=NUM force an older protocol version to be used
--iconv=CONVERT_SPEC request charset conversion of filenames
-4, --ipv4 prefer IPv4
-6, --ipv6 prefer IPv6
--version print version number
(-h) --help show this help (-h is --help only if used alone)

Use "rsync --daemon --help" to see the daemon-mode command-line options.
Please see the rsync(1) and rsyncd.conf(5) man pages for full documentation.
See http://rsync.samba.org/ for updates, bug reports, and answers
rsync error: syntax or usage error (code 1) at main.c(1503) [Receiver=3.0.9]
/usr/sbin/upkg-sync: line 54: popd: directory stack empty
Generating script...

Unhandled Exception: System.TypeInitializationException: An exception was thrown by the type initializer for Upkg.Local ---> System.UnauthorizedAccessException: Access to the path "/var/cache/upkg/www.paldo.org_paldo" is denied.
at System.IO.Directory.CreateDirectoriesInternal (System.String path) [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0
at System.IO.Directory.CreateDirectory (System.String path) [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0
at Upkg.Local..cctor () [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0
--- End of inner exception stack trace ---
at Upkg.Application.Main (System.String[] args) [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0
[ERROR] FATAL UNHANDLED EXCEPTION: System.TypeInitializationException: An exception was thrown by the type initializer for Upkg.Local ---> System.UnauthorizedAccessException: Access to the path "/var/cache/upkg/www.paldo.org_paldo" is denied.
at System.IO.Directory.CreateDirectoriesInternal (System.String path) [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0
at System.IO.Directory.CreateDirectory (System.String path) [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0
at Upkg.Local..cctor () [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0
--- End of inner exception stack trace ---
at Upkg.Application.Main (System.String[] args) [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0
Could not generate script!
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#6
con man upkg-repo esce questo

UPKG-REPO(1) [FIXME: manual] UPKG-REPO(1)

NAME
upkg-repo - tool to list Upkg repository sources

SYNOPSIS
upkg-repo [[--needed] | [--unneeded]] [[--local] | [--remote]]
[--branch=<branch>] [--repos=<repo1,...,repon>]
{repository path}

DESCRIPTION
upkg-repo lists needed or unneeded files in a Upkg repository. For more
general information about Upkg, look at upkg(1).

OPTIONS
--needed
Creates a list of all files referenced according to the specs
inside the specified repository, this is the default.

--unneeded
Creatates a list like --needed and a list of real files inside of
{repository}. It then prints out all files mentioned in the real
file list but not mentioned in the needed file list. In short
terms: it prints all files wich are no more needed (means
referenced) by the specs of the repository. This can be used to
clean up source and binary directories in repositories.

--local
Only regard local files, this is the default.

--remote
Only regard remote files. This option is not compatible with
--unneeded.

--branch=<branch>
Specify the branch whose releases will be used. Valid branches are
<B4>stable<B4>, <B4>testing<B4>, <B4>unstable<B4> and <B4>experimental<B4>. If none
specified, releases of all branches will be used.

--repos=<repo1,...,repon>
Specify additional repositories to the ones specified in upkg.conf.

--help
Prints a short abstact of the arguments to STDOUT.

[FIXME: source] 01/01/2010 UPKG-REPO(1)
~
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#7
Mazza...
Non si può dire che fa le cose di nascosto quel tipo lì.
Il problema è estrapolare quello che interessa.
Praticamente ti ha:
- detto che dovevi essere root
- spiegato che, per fare il download, usa rsync e siccome non gli è piaciuto come lo avevi lanciato ha pensato bene di stamparti tutto il manuale
- dato tanti altri suggerimenti che non sappiamo vedere.

C'è un altro problema che andrebbe chiarito.
Loro parlano di pacchetti binari e sorgenti, e io non so, non conoscendola, che cosa intendono.
Magari non c'è una vera e propria pacchettizzazione con indicizzazione delle dipendenze.
Semplicemente, magari, un pacchetto va compilato e installato e soddisfa da sé tutte le sue dipendenze, quindi non occorre fare l'upgrade di tutto il sistema ma solo ragionare su quello che vuoi e, semplicemente, installare il pacchetto.

Mi sa che un po' bisogna studiarci.
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#8
... Caspita! [Immagine: http://www.kolobok.us/smiles/big_madhouse/wacko3.gif]
[Immagine: http://www.pic4ever.com/images/2mpe5id.gif]Un poeta può sopravvivere a tutto tranne che ad un errore di stampa.(Andy Wahrol)
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#9
@ monsee
Cioè?

@ falchimarco
Ma ci dev'essere qualcosa che non va.
Infatti si dice di dare
#upkg-upgrade (senza sync) per aggiornare il sistema.
Questo regolarmente ogni qualche giorno.
Quindi io proverei a darlo subito per vedere se per caso nell'installazione non avesse saltato qualche build essential.

Il bello è che ne parlano come di una distro 'per non smanettoni', secondo me si sono dimenticati di dire qualcosa di perfettamente banale che non riusciamo a intuire.
arrossire

EDIT
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/se...l=it&gl=it
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Mai che se ne trovino due uguali !
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#10
@zafran
(18-08-2012, 09:04 )zafran Ha scritto: Il bello è che ne parlano come di una distro 'per non smanettoni', secondo me si sono dimenticati di dire qualcosa di perfettamente banale che non riusciamo a intuire.
Paldo la provai nella vecchia versione, in effetti è velocissima ed adatta a pc vecchiotti. Installata su un pentium 700 mega andava come una scheggia.
Sarebbe per non smanettoni Se ti accontenti di quello che c'è nei suoi repository.
La particolarità è che la sua filosofia sarebbe "un programma per ogni cosa" (quello scelto da loro); 1 solo browser, 1 solo client email, 1 solo lettore musicale etc. etc.
Se invece vuoi installarci altre cose allora arrivano i binari e tutto il resto.
E allora smanettone lo devi essere per forza.
Come dice @ zafran: upkg a pranzo, cena e colazione
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